Mets Use SAS, Royals Win Series

In a bit of premature chest-thumping, SAS touts its alliance with the New York Mets.  As a SAS blogger notes, “when the Mets take the field…SAS will be there with them.”

The Mets committed five errors in the Series.

Last year, the Mets signed an agreement with SAS for analytics, joining the Orlando Magic (thirteenth in the NBA Eastern Conference) and the Toronto Maple Leafs (eight in the NHL Atlantic Division.)

There’s a metaphor in there.  Spending big money on software won’t help if you don’t execute on the fundamentals.

Here are profiles of KC’s top analysts:

Notice something missing from those profiles?

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11 comments

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  • Misleading

    Your post is VERY misleading: from two links of your post, it is very clear that the partnership was about fan relationship – which seems to me that that has minuscule effect on a team’s performance on the field.

    • Quoting from the blog post:

      — “GMs and club managers analyze this data to help them make decisions on which players to trade, acquire or release, and make any of a number of in-game decisions. (BTW, SAS is used by many professional organizations to help with player analytics.)”

      — “So when the Mets take the field tonight…SAS will be there with them. I’m hoping that means they’ll send me a ring when they beat the Royals.

      And from the article planted in the Triangle Business Journal:

      — “Every Major League Baseball team collects data using technology systems, where cameras in strategic locations at ballparks track everything from speed to ovation to pitch trajectory. That data is analyzed by baseball executives to help them make decisions on their lineups, points out Larry LaRusso, SAS communications specialist, via blog post Tuesday. He adds that SAS is used by many of those organizations to help with player analytics.”

      Those points aren’t relevant unless SAS is also trying to claim credit for the Mets’ performance on the field. It’s SAS public relations that is misleading; I’ve simply pointed out that the KC Royals use open source statistics, and they won the Series.

      • Now besides misleading, you might need to retake your reading class

        Link 1 (the “planted” Triangle Business Journal article): it seems to me that this “article” is just a reworded piece of Link 2, barely any “new” content here. I stayed for less than 10 seconds for my initial read.

        Link 2: a blog post by a SAS marketing guy. Its theme/thesis is clear: use analytics to enhance fan experience. I originally read it in less than minute and now I reread it, word by word and its theme is exactly the same. A bit of exaggeration about what SAS does in the partnership? You bet. Misleading? Unless you had failed to pass your third grade reading class.

        That’s the two posts I read for my initial comment and yes, your post is still misleading after read again.

        Now, allow me a full due diligence by following the last two links:
        Link 3: a press release. I failed to find anything misleading.

        Link 4: an article in the “Insights” section of SAS domain, which is sort of a hybrid of technical writing and marketing. In addition to Mets, this article also talks about Orlando Magic, Major League Soccer, and Toronto Maple Leafs. This one is still mainly about fans, i.e. customer engagement stuff. And yes, the last two paragraphs do talk about using analytics (implicitly means SAS) to improve team/player performance. Here’s one:

        – “The Toronto Maple Leafs are planning to use analytics to help analyze aspects of the team’s performance. This initiative includes applying a data-driven approach to everything from player performance to on-ice strategy.”

        The press release of Link 3 was dated “Oct 27, 2014.” So the Link 4 article appeared no earlier than that date. 2014-15 NHL season started on Oct. 8, 2014. According to the above quote, Leafs “are planning,” which indicates that analytics, SAS or not, would likely have minimal effect on the outcome of Leafs’ 2014-15 season rankings.

        Your Quote 1 and 2 are from Link 2. The “BTW” sentence of Quote 1 is somewhat misleading, but at least the guy had the decency to put that inside parentheses. Nothing misleading about the main sentence of your Quote 1 – it’s just a statement of facts – or at least things data people believe/want others to believe.

        The blogger wanted to be cute by writing Quote 2, which turned out to be childish (and laughable after last Sunday; if you may). Your obsession with it? Borderline idiotic.

        Quote 3 is from Link 1 and this is by far the most “misleading” part of the whole “article.” Which probably means your reading ability actually isn’t that bad under certain circumstance, as you handily nickpicked (or handpicked?) and highlighted it in your reply.

        Now, wrap it up:

        – Link 2 was written by a SAS marketing guy and Link 1 was reworded content of Link 2 appeared in a local business-ish newspaper. Honestly I doubt how much those two understand how anlaytics works in real world. Is there anything misleading in Link 2 (and Link 1 therefore)? Yes, absolutely. Can any reader with above 3rd grade reading ability actually misled? No, absolutely not.

        – You put “Mets Use SAS” and “Royals Win Series” squarely together as your post title, the implicit meaning and effect you want to achieve are quite straightforward: SAS, an analytical tool, didn’t help, if not harm Mets (or maybe you actually wanted your readers to “believe” SAS actually harms?).

        – Further, you stated
        – “the Mets signed an agreement with SAS for analytics, joining the Orlando Magic (thirteenth in the NBA Eastern Conference) and the Toronto Maple Leafs (eight in the NHL Atlantic Division.)”
        Reiterate my comment about Link 4: SAS’s involvement has nothing to do with Orlando Magic team performance, ditto Toranto Maple Leafs. Your listing of Orland Magic as thriteenth and Leafs as eight is not only misleading, but also insinuating.

        – I can agree that the blog post of Link 2 is somewhat, maybe 5%-ish misleading, if I/you/we really, truly, sincerely want to hold it to such a really, truly, sincerely high moral standard. With the same standard, your post here is at least 95% misleading.

        – In summary, while misleading of Link 1 & 2 is deductible, your misleading is gargantuan.

  • BTW, you didn’t “simply pointed out” that “KC Royals use open source statistics,” you just provided 3 LinkedIn links. Did Royals’s win b/c of using open source statistics? Maybe, maybe not. Can you tell?

    BTW again, here is nice quote to light it up: “Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!” – It’s about who, not about what.

    • Luke,

      Say hello to Dr. G. next time you’re on campus for a fresh supply of meds.

      Regards,

      Thomas

      • Interesting. That does say something (about you).

        Honestly, it’s much better if you just deleted all my comments (including this one). It’s totally understandable.

        I feel too low to talk about your insinuation about med, let’s pretend it’s not here.

        In regard to your other insinuation, with the assumption that your ” Dr. G.” means Jim Goodnight and “campus” means SAS’s Cary campus, I have to admit that I’m affiliated with SAS in at least two big ways: 1) I have been a SAS user for many years; 2) I live physically in the Triangle area for the last few years. Additionally, I have/had worked at SAS for a grand total of 0 day.

        And no, I’m not for or against any particular software. I’m for free flow of ideas and knowledge and use whatever tools I can use comfortably, such as R being my “new” toy I mean tool for the last 10+ years.

        Personally I don’t know your “Dr. G.” and don’t care about what happened between you and your Dr. G./SAS or if there was anything happened.

  • Nope, I’ll leave them up.

    Ordinarily, “Luke”, when somebody with a North Carolina IP address and fake credentials comments on a blog post about SAS, I figure they’re an employee or fellow traveler.

    And if you live in the Triangle area, you know exactly who “Dr. G” is.

    • A new term to me, that is – always happy to learn something new, per Wikipedia:
      – “A fellow traveller is a pejorative term for a person who sympathizes with the beliefs of an organization or cooperates in its activities without maintaining formal membership in that particular group.”

      Apparently I am anonymous, as who I am is irrelevant to what I comment. But fake “credentials”? I got nothing to fake or to misrepresent here.

  • I wonder what tools the Red Sox leveraged while winning their recent 3 World Series titles?

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